So — Muslims can serve in the Armed Forces but we’re still purging homosexuals? How’s that working out?

John Lilyea,

Done. Thanks.

Cynthia

Attmay,

Thank you. The more we learn about Maj. Hasan, the more I ask, “Exactly WHAT do straight people have to do to get thrown out of the military?” Because clearly he was given an astonishing amount of latitude in the direction of mutiny and treachery. In contrast, all you need to do to get a homosexual tossed from the services is tattle, since there’s no apparent penalty for telling in “don’t ask don’t tell” and plenty of incentive for telling to get rid of a more competent gay or lesbian rival, or to exact revenge for a sexual rejection — far more women are thrown out for being lesbian than men are for being gay (and once you make an example of one uppity woman, you can threaten and bully more of the others, lesbian or straight, into agreeing to sex to save their careers).

Also, while the MSM and Islamic communities are playing the religious bigotry card to excuse Hasan’s killing rampage — “he said people harassed him because he was Muslim, boo-hoo” — I’m pretty sure that closer examination will reveal he was an obnoxious man who pretty much started all the trouble that came back to him AND that his fellow service members are more familiar with the commands of his religion to kill ALL unbelievers than most civilians are, so they would have plenty to say in reply to him, AND it is likely that Hasan’s real complaint is that he kept trying to convert the service members around him but the non-believers were bigots because they refused to convert and admit his superiority due solely to his Islamic identity.

Cynthia

“Don’t ask don’t tell” is a total failure. Why should we want to keep these good people from serving? Perhaps if he had screamed “Allahu Akbar” while wearing a dress we’d have a whole new narrative?

Peter,

In the 1980’s, white straight women were almost universally infuriated the fact that not all single men were available to them because some of them — often the most attractive ones — were gay. These men didn’t have the option to be openly gay before then, so that’s when this first came up. But, by the 1990’s, white straight women had learned to accept that not all men are straight and that it behooves them to check before launching a campaign for a man’s affections.

Due to the nation-building/anti-gay bigotry spread in the black community by their churches and demagogues like Al Sharpton, this hasn’t happened in the black community yet and black gay men are still on the down low.

This applies to the military and the idea of unit cohesion because the truth is that people can learn to stop assuming everyone is straight and accept gays and lesbians and still identify with their unit — also, stigmatizing poor performance as gay is bad leadership and should stop.

Plus — service in the military is not about rights: it’s about equality. People who are not equal are not allowed to serve in the military — this simultaneously validates stigmatizing them AND provides proof positive of their second-class citizenship since they are not trusted to carry the burdens that first-class citizens do.

Cynthia

Attmay,

Lt. Dan Choi is a West Point graduate who loves the United States and loves the Army. He would give his life for America and his fellow soldiers.

Lt. Choi served as an Arabic interpreter. How many people will die because he was tossed out for a being crime? Meanwhile, I’ve read news coverage saying that Maj. Hasan was making threatening and treasonous statements for years, but he’s straight so the Army kept him?

Cynthia

Peter,

Those arguments were used about blacks and women, too, as I recall.

With regard to homosexuals, these arguments are obsolete because they date from before 1969, the year of the Stonewall Riots, which mark the beginning of the movement for equality for homosexuals. In that era, almost no one was openly gay, so straight people could deceive themselves that we were very rare. Well, we’re not, and now enough of us have the courage to be openly homosexual that we are well past the critical mass of straight people who now realize there’s NO place you can go where there are no homosexuals.

Regarding the kids who are so deranged by their prejudice toward homosexuals that they wouldn’t enlist: first, good riddance, they probably have a lot of other screws loose; second, so many kids are able to come out and be openly gay in high school that most young people are acquainted with someone who is gay and the ones who are so hateful towards gays that joining an organization that treats gays as equals are very much in the minority — and that minority is getting smaller every day — unless, come to think of it, we start increasing our recruiting of Muslims, since plenty of them want to come to the U.S. and get citizenship and that’s the fast track to do so. Do you think the kids are going to be happy to enlist KNOWING they’ll be serving with Muslims — the current estimate, as I recall, is 10,000 to 15,000 currently serving — who are ALL commanded by the Koran to deceive and kill unbelievers and many of whom feel obligated to rape or kill women who are not “properly covered”?

Really, Peter, men and women who have such poor personal boundaries that their individual identity requires them to belong to a group exactly like them in every way are not mentally healthy. Frankly, Eric Hoffer describes them as the candidates for totalitarianisms in The True Believer. Aren’t those people more likely to be Lefties now, with no inclination at all for military service?

Plus, has anyone bothered to survey how many more lesbians and gays would enlist or take ROTC if they could serve openly?

Even Colin Powell supports the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” and permitting homosexuals to serve openly — which, by the way, means they have to observe the same rules everyone else does, they just don’t have to hide their choice of a same-sex partner.

Cynthia

P.S.

I take it you didn’t notice that I linked you in my latest Project Valour IT post.